I can understand stancing a car if it looks good

"YSI-what can brown do for you" (ysi-what-can-brown-do-for-you) 11/07/2013 at 02:22 • Filed to: None

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And although taste varies person to person, I struggle to find anything reedeming about this idea.

Saracen > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 02:26

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I like lowered cars with wide wheels.

But that's just fucking stupid.

911e46z06 > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 02:28

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Anything to be different. I'm cool with it in the same way I'm cool with donks. If you want to stretch too-small tires over too-big rims and drag around 2 inches off the ground, ruining the performance of a performance oriented car, I'm all for it as long as you don't do it to something rare.

Random Commenter > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 02:36

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There is lowering a car tastefully, then there is lowering a car for performance reasons, and then there is making it look like you raised your car 25 feet into the air and dropped it onto it's wheels, snapping the suspension/axles... Guess which one this falls under?

Poor BRZ...

His Stigness > Saracen 11/07/2013 at 02:41

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Is there a limit to how many times you can click the star button, because if there isn't I want to keep clicking it until my mouse breaks, or my finger does, because this kind of thing looks soooo stupid to me. And besides it looking stupid, it's also ridiculously dangerous and stupid, and I'm only talking about the stretching thing, not the stance.

I had a car come in while I was working at Honda, it was a normal 08ish Accord, but it had 19's or 20's with stretched ass tires. The were so stretched out that there was no rubber covering the rim. And on the right front wheel the wheel had been cracked in THREE places, and two of those cracks had been welded previously (it was really shitty though don't worry), and the real kicker was that one of the welds had another crack in it. LOL AHAHAHAHAHA! I had to explain to the customer in polite terms how fucking stupid they were and told them in a technical and professional manner that they were fucking stupid, and the guy was a legit gang banger, but luckily he didn't blame me, he just blamed the people who installed what he wanted.

offroadkarter > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 02:42

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heres the problem

stancing doesn't look good

I'm also not convinced that lowering a car = stance, every stanced car I've seen either has stretched tires, offset camber, or both

Also I'll say this once, and I know as usual I'll get backlash of angry comments for a week over this, but tough shit

Hellaflush assholes are the posers of the car enthusiast world

there, I said it

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 02:45

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This is a highly (in my opinion stupid) acquired taste. If this was functional it'd be another thing, but as soon as functionality goes out the window I can't ever give it a pass. And stretching the tires is also an acquired taste, and one I will always struggle to understand because I have a hard time going against what the tire manufacturer recommends. If they say it shouldn't be done, why would you not listen to them. The tires are the one thing in contact with the road and by going outside a tires' limits your not only endangering yourself but also other people on the road.

PS9 > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 02:50

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YSI-what can brown do for you > offroadkarter 11/07/2013 at 02:50

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Well, usually lowering a car to some extreme doesn't look very good to me, sometimes once in a very very very long time it does, but it is usually a small drop.

Also, I kind of agree with the last statement. . .

YSI-what can brown do for you > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 02:54

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Plus the lip of the wheel stick out and it is the most annoying thing to look at!

lepie > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 02:54

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This is actually a test/torture-bed for the development of a new generation of ultra-tough wheel bearings.

And on the serious side: NO! This looks horrible. Why ruin a perfectly good car? Too low, tractor wheels, camber that just doesn't make sense and a stove pipe for an exhaust. Who the fuck does this? Not to mention the thing will handle like shit and be barely usable anywhere.

Bitches should be slapped.

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 03:00

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Yeah, and in terms of safety it's the worse part because it's the most vulnerable. I avoid potholes with a passion and I've only got 18's, I can't imagine driving a car with those stupid wheel/tires.

YSI-what can brown do for you > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 03:04

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Always have a big sidewall, and always cover the entire wheel. Not only do you get better performance, a safer wheel, resistance to road bumps, AND it ends up looking amazing!

YSI-what can brown do for you > PS9 11/07/2013 at 03:06

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No to me or the car?

offroadkarter > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 03:06

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Theres a fine balance. Its one thing to lower a car so it doesn't look like a 4x4 (cough ford mustang cough) but its another to slam it so low down that you can't even go over a damn speed bump. When you constantly destroy your exhaust, oil pan, and suspension components in the name of "swag", you are just a douche.

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 03:07

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Exactly. I think in terms of performance vs everyday practicality 18's are the best because they offer enough sidewall to protect the wheel but are low enough to not flex when racing.

And that car looks awesome. It's not slammed but it's lowered just enough and has excellent wheels with the right size tires!

PS9 > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 03:10

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Both of you. To the car, because awesome handling is really all the 86 can do and that's been destroyed here. And to you, because I have to go to work in 2 hours, and again in 14 hours, and I just know it's going to be a crappy you-don't-get-to-sleep-PS9 day thanks to this video.

YSI-what can brown do for you > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 03:18

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Most cars look perfect with 18s and a fat sidewall. I am going an inch smaller, just to cut down on the wheel weight.

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 03:26

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If you're not doing any serious racing then the tad bit of extra weight it alright, but the advantage of smaller wheels is cheaper tires. But if you can afford it, and what college student can't, get some TSW Rotary Forged wheels, they're light as SHIT! Seriously, RF wheels are insane. I'm going to get a set to use for racing and keep my AMG wheels for the street because they're alloys so they're not heavy, but the RF's are frikin featherweights!

YSI-what can brown do for you > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 03:31

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I was concidering TSWs for a bit, but then I saw Gram Lights, and there is no going back. They are cast, but are about 1.5lbs heavier than the TSWs, I think at ~18.5lbs. Plus they look sexy as hell(see above picture). Not to mention excellent quality. I am planning on autocrossing and tracking the car, so the lighter the better. Not to mention that 17s come in 9" and not 8.5, which mean it will clear the fender and give better grip!

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 03:42

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Hey go with what you know and love. I happen to have experience with TSW and only TSW. 18.5 isn't too bad, but just for comparisons sake 19x9 TSW RF weigh about at that, again, insane!

If you plan on racing then go with 18's because you'll get a smaller sidewall and therefore a stiffer one that will keep more of the contact patch on the road. You can still get the same size tire on the 8.5 rim as you would the 9". There is usually about an inch of wiggle room when it comes to what size tire can go on a wheel. For instance, my front tire is a 225/40 18 on an 18x8 rim, but I could fit up to a 245 on there or go as low as 205 (I think.) It goes back to what I was saying with stretching and as long your within range it's all good. Now it might not look the same because they size tires to go on specific rims. The tire size and wheel size I have is the correct combo, the same goes for my rears (255/35 18 on 18x9). And what I mean by "look right" is that when the tire and wheel size match up, like mine, the sidewall and rim will be perpendicular, which is only ideal for aesthetics and you can stretch either way as long as your within the tire manufacturer range.

If you go to Tire Rack's website and go to a tire and then select the "specs" you can what I'm talking about in the "rim width range" of a given tire size. Again using my front tires as an example I could put them on a 7" rim up to an 9" but the rim size that is ideal for it is 8" and that can be found in the section right next to it labeled "Meas Rim Width."

YSI-what can brown do for you > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 03:54

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Tires are so complicated it makes my brain hurt. From my general understanding is, is that the bigger the sidewall the more the tire will roll meaning it will be able to grip the road better. Smaller sidewalls give better handling but under acceleration the tires don't scrunch up(like drag radials) so you won't grip well there. And then they go "that is the case, but sometimes it isn't it all depends."

I am not going to stretch to much. I think you can fit a 265 if you wanted too, but I am going with a 245, just because 255 might not clear. I just like the safety of knowing the car won't rub!

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 04:07

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It's kind the opposite lol. In terms of street cars you actually want a small sidewall because it won't flex. By having a larger sidewall the tire will flex and you will lose traction elsewhere. So if your turning the outside shoulder will roll and your not actually getting anymore tread on the ground, just the sidewall.

My advice is fit as wide a tire as possible in the rear (assuming it's RWD) because more rubber equals more traction. In the front wider is not always better because it increases steering effort and diminished steering feel, but wider in the front does equal ore traction, but the front depends on ore on your tastes and style; you might be faster with a 225 whereas I might be faster with a 255, and vice versa.

To get the best possible fitment go to an America's Tire store and ask them to show you the fitment guide for your car. It will show what will fit for sure, what might fit, and what won't fit without mods. It's super accurate.

YSI-what can brown do for you > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 04:29

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The forums have something similar as well. There is also a fitment calculator which will show if the wheel tire combo will rub or not!

I think 9.5 is the widest in the rear but will rub upfront. Also a staggered set up will cause understeer, so 9s all around is the only choice for me!

davedave1111 > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 07:06

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"And stretching the tires is also an acquired taste, and one I will always struggle to understand because I have a hard time going against what the tire manufacturer recommends. If they say it shouldn't be done, why would you not listen to them."

You know how F1 tyres got wider and wider? It's because Lotus kept stretching them onto bigger rims than they were intended for.

DocWalt > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 09:28

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I do like the taillights at least.

Jayhawk Jake > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 09:43

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Just being lowered would be one thing. The stupid fucking camber on the rear tires is just fucking stupid.

I don't like stance 90% of the time because of basic geometry: a wheel in a wheel well should be a set of concentric circles. When you lower a car too much, they are no longer concentric circles and it looks terrible.

desertdog5051 > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 09:44

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"Damn, I have a flat tire and I have no idea how I can jack it to change it". The other problem is these morons will reproduce.

BarryDanger > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 10:36

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Stupid car with stupid dubstep track... Lyrics:

Dumb, Dumb.

I'm Dumb. It's alright...

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 18:46

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Do you have a link to the fitment calculator?

What kind of car is this for? A massive staggered setup might cause understeer, depending on the car. Usually though RWD cars have a staggered setup because it allows you to put the maximum amount of rubber at the rear for better acceleration, and fine tune the front to reduce understeer but maintain steering feel and accuracy.

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 18:51

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I've just thought of an excellent title for this video: "Hey look at me, I ruined a perfectly good car, and spent more money to do it. Go me!"

YSI-what can brown do for you > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 18:58

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Well my car came with a square set up, and it understeers slightly intially and then it wants to oversteer. So adding a bit of stagger may cause it too push more than I would like(see the word none). Anyway, I have an FRS, and here is the calculator!

http://www.frsproject.com/tire_size.php

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 19:11

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Most cars come with a square setup because it allows you to rotate your tires and get more life out of them. The Germans used to offer a staggered setup on Sport models but I think they're only doing it now in upper sport trims like M-Sport, AMG whatever, and S cars, not S Line. Because your car is RWD and you plan on tracking it getting a staggered setup will give you the most performance, but to compromise going with a wide square setup will allow you to save money in the long run. The fitment calculator is weird but if it's accurate it looks like you can do 245 up front with no chance of rubbing, but you might be able to squeeze a 255 on there. The rear though looks like it will fit a 265 which is sweet. If it was my car I would go staggered with 235 up front and 265 in the back. This setup will be the best of all worlds, except you can't rotate them so you'll be spending more money.

And staggered only adds understeer if you reduce the width of the front, which you shouldn't do. By going wider you increase the amount of rubber gripping the road so you will decrease understeer, and a 235 will offer the most traction while retaining steering feel. A 245 would further increase grip but diminish steering feel and probably slow you down.

And do you have stock tires and wheels right now?

YSI-what can brown do for you > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 19:30

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Yup pretty much on stock tires and wheels, which means they are terrible for grip and racing but awesome for drifting and having fun. Particularly in the rain.

I am probably going to go with square just for the money savings. That way I can afford more mods to the car, whatever they may be!

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 19:38

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A square setup makes the most sense for affordability.

On drifting the car, specifically drifting in the rain; when the back starts to lose grip is it super easy to hold and you can catch it by just applying some oppo and back off on the throttle?

YSI-what can brown do for you > His Stigness 11/07/2013 at 19:43

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It is pretty simple, although it does start to slip fairly quickly, so you have to be fast. After that it is pretty simple to straighten out.

His Stigness > YSI-what can brown do for you 11/07/2013 at 19:46

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Oh okay, so you can't take a nap once it starts slipping and you begin to drift, you either have to hold it or correct and get the car back in line?

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